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5/12/05 12:56pm
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Hi, - Why is this new OS can’t be installed on some PPCs? I have an iPaq 2210 that has 32 MB ROM, 400 MHZ processor, & I think that’s enough for the installation?! If not, please let me know the minimum requirements. Thanks a lot, & if you any ideas, please let me Know. Ayman Sousa __________________
Ayman Sousa Pocket PC iPaq 2210
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Werner Ruotsalainen
Moderator
Yes. The new operating system takes a bit more flash ROM; this is why the installer had to delete all the user stuff during install.
Yes, most probably the stuff that are invisible to the user: the Registry and the WindowsCE databases. Now, they are written to the ROM (and also mirrored in the RAM - this is why 64/32M RAM devices can so quickly run out of the available RAM...).
pwppcuser
I have purcased the upgrade for my hx2755. The device will not sync (spent hours chatting with HP) and also have apparently lost some software in ROM. My question is two fold. When I did the ROM upgrade, I must have lost the data stored there (in ROM) - yes - no? When I view the storage (under memory) it shows Total = 75.09MB In use 7.59MB Free 67.50MB Is the 7.59MB possibly data or something used by the IPAQ? Also the hard reset is now a 4 button operation: claendar, Email, power, and reset button.
pwppcuser
pwppcuser
Werner Ruotsalainen
Moderator
Well, I'd certainly debate this. Compared to the very high price tag of the HTC Universal, it has serious drawbacks (size of available RAM/ROM, lack of USB host support, lack of a non-MS BT stack, lack of EDGE, lack of hardware WM5 buttons, size, weight etc). Furthermore, WM5 support is still quite weak, as far as existing software is concerned. For example, there is still no decent native VGA support for WM5 - I've been discussing this today athttp://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?p=855987 .
As for me, I won't get the HTC Universal (at least not at its current price). I wait for either a much better converged device (let's face it: current technology could produce far superior devices. Think of, for example, the Pocket Loox 720, with built-in GPS, a lot of RAM/ROM, Widcomm BT stack, real USB host and an EDGE/3D GSM phone and without the bulky, and, for anyone that already has an external BT keyboard, useless thumbboard - that would be a killer!)
gintzj
Werner Ruotsalainen
Moderator
Well, actually, the low-end iPAQ rx1950 only has 32M RAM (of which, only 12M is usable). It's absolutely useless for any serious PDA usage scenario (as it can't even run alternative browsers like Netfront or Minimo with more than one tabs open), but, for light PIM usage, it may be sufficient.
gintzj
The minimun is 60 ram 60 rom
Werner Ruotsalainen
Moderator
Could you comment on the remarks at www.expansys.es/forumthread.asp?code=119353&thread=42 ? I'd really like to know how much available (not total!) RAM it has and whether the complaints (PIM stuff taking up 20 Mbytes; only 20 Mbytes of RAM free after a reset etc) are true.
Janet05
Don't be in a big hurry to upgrade to Mobile 5.
I have a new and very expensive HTC Universal unit that came with Mobile 5 installed. Finding good Mobile 5 compatible software is very frustrating - especially GPS software.
If you think - as I did - that Mobile 2005 would be automatically backward compatible with 2003 and 2002 applications - NOT! And the Catch 22 is that you won't know it's not compatible until you install it. And re-install it, thinking you did something wrong. It's not you - it's the software package. Of course, nobody refunds opened software as you will find out when you start a dialog with tech support.
Check very carefully before you buy anything.
And another thing - invest in at least a 1GB memory card immediately. You'll need it.
Good luck with Mobile 5.0!
Overall, Mobile 5 and the Office software that came with it is very good. So is the HTC Universal, btw.
JL
Werner Ruotsalainen
Moderator
Did you purchase the WM2003 upgrade?
admire1314
how to upgrade the OS for pocket pc?
anyone of u hv the instruction for this purpose?
i'm using compaq 3800
thanks...
YankeeJeep
Moderator
If your device maker does not issue a ROM update for your model, then no, you cannot. WM is released by the device makers with the hardware drivers required for each model's specific hardware components. If the device maker does release an update, they will include instructions on how to reflash your FlashROM area with the new OS image. Keep your eye on the support site for your device. What device do you have? Your maker may have already announced the models they will update to the new OS.
Itismemc
Is there any way to upgrade the one you own, I am a noob I know.
Werner Ruotsalainen
Moderator
Unfortunately, much as the x30 would be capable of running WM5, it won't receive the upgrade.
Yes; the two most important of them are Asus (as far as the A730(w) hi-end VGA PPC is concerned) and Toshiba (e830). It's also known that, for example, Garmin PPC devices won't receive the upgrade.
However, it's certain that the Fujitus-Siemens Pocket Loox 7xx series (which includes the hi-end VGA Pocket Loox 718/720) will also receive the upgrade - this means 3 of the 5 current VGA devices will get the upgrade.
handheld_user2
From what I understand, it is only those devices which have the Intel(R)PXA270 processor and have sufficient ROM, 64MB or more, that will receive the upgrade.
From what I've seen the list includes the folowing:
hx2100 - CPU - Intel® PXA270 Processor 312 MHz
Memory - 128 MB total memory (64 MB ROM and 64 MB SDRAM)
Screen - TFT QVGA display; 64K; 240 x 320 pixels
hx2400 - CPU - Intel® PXA270 Processor 520 MHz
Memory - 128 MB total memory (64 MB ROM and 64 MB SDRAM)
Screen - TFT QVGA display; 64K; 240 x 320 pixels
hx2700 - CPU - Intel® PXA270 Processor 624 MHz
Memory - 256 MB total memory (128 MB ROM and 128 MB SDRAM)
Screen - TFT QVGA display; 64K; 240 x 320 pixels
hx4700 - CPU - Intel® PXA270 Processor 624 MHz
Memory - 192 MB total memory (128 MB ROM and 64 MB SDRAM);
Screen - VGA TFT display; 64K; 480 x 640 pixels
Axim X50v
Intel® PXA270 624MHz, 128MB ROM 64MB SDRAM
Axim X50
Intel® PXA270 520MHz, 128MB ROM 64MB SDRAM
Axim X30
Intel® PXA270 624MHz, 64MB ROM, 64MB SDRAM
There may be more companies that have not spoken up yet about the 5.0 upgrade.
Peace [8D]
Handheld_user2
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Hal Goldstein
Moderator
HP has committed to upgrade the newer hx2xxx series (not the 2210) and the 4700. Dell will also be upgrading their latest Axim.
When this will be is anyone's guess (my guess is Sept/Oct at earliest). I think it will be some time before we actually start seeing Windows Mobile machines.
I really think when the manufacturers don't upgrade it more often than not is a hardware limitations. I had a beta of Windows Mobile Second Edition on my HP 2200 and it was horrible. I don't think they were ever able to really get it working well.
With Windows Mobile 5, the idea is that main storage will be in ROM, so there is never any data loss from battery dying or hard reset. That means there has to be enough "Filestore" ROM available for the upgrade to work.
Hal Goldstein, hal [at] pocketpcmag [dot] com
Publisher/Exec Editor
Pocket PC magazine
Werner Ruotsalainen
Moderator
Yes, none of the PDA manufacturers are keen on providing operating system upgrades. See for examplehttp://smartphonemag.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13898 on this.
Caleb Schmerge
Here's how the upgrade process goes for PPCs. First, Microsoft creates the OS. They have been working on Windows Mobiel 5.0 for some time now (under code name Magneto). Then, Microsoft releases it to the manufacturers. When Mircosoft releases it, the software is different from what you get when you buy a device. The manufactures tweak it to make sure that it will work with your hardware and they add programs as they see fit. Then, they put the OS on their devices, or in some cases offer and upgrade.
This is the upgrade from the manufacturer that you are inquiring about. When you buy it (usually about $30 US) you get the upgrade and you install it on your device, going from your previous OS to the one. The software is all customized so that it will run. Companies don't like to offer upgrades because it cuts down on their revenues. Some people (sometimes myself included) fell that they need the newest technology. If a company doesn't release an upgrade, that means an extra $500 in sales to buy a new device, instead of $30. This time though, HP decided to release the upgrade for limited devices. These are for the most part the most current and nicer devices.
The 2210 won't be upgraded, probably for several reasons. First, it isn't one of the most current devices. As far a HP is concerned, the 2210 is toast, it isn't a WM 2003 SE device, so they will make you buy a new device if you want WM 2005, cause its more than 1 year old or so. Also, the device isn't that well suited for the upgrade from what I understand. First, the 400 Mhz processor would probably be sufficient, but 32 MB of memory isn't a lot. By the time you have an OS, programs, and storage all on that, you really can't do much, so what is the point of running WM 2005.
If I were you, I wouldn't worry about this much. HP, Dell, Toshiba, and any other handheld company are after making money. They really don't care too much that your device could possibly handle the upgrade. I would wait until either a WM 2005 SE or WM 2006 (I don't know what the next OS will be, so whatever it is) and then get a new device since the technology is constatnly changing. I started on PPC 2002, then went to WM 2003 SE and will be able to get the upgrade to 2005, but in all actuality, the hardware updates are what matter.
HP iPAQ 4705, Sandisk 512MB SD card, Sandisk 1 GB CF card, ThinkOutside Bluetooth Universal Keyboard, ThinkOutside Bluetooth Travel PDA Mouse, hp Tunecast II FM Transmitter, HP Bluetooth Headphones, Covertec Leather Case, Jabra BT800 headset, Covertec Screen Protectors, Spare Battery, and lots of other toys.
HP iPAQ 4705, Sandisk 512MB SD card, Sandisk 1 GB CF card, ThinkOutside Bluetooth Universal Keyboard, ThinkOutside Bluetooth Travel PDA Mouse, hp Tunecast II FM Transmitter, HP Bluetooth Headphones, Covertec Leather Case, Jabra BT800 headset, Covertec Sc